Will all who suicide go to hell?

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Speaker 1

So Leandro is asking will all suicide go to hell? And then let’s go ahead and put Angio’s question up as well. If you did something bad and aren’t forgiven, then why not suicide?

Speaker 2

One is first will suicide go to heaven? And then the other one is then why not basically why not suicide? And that’s a very good question too. And honestly I see so many people who struggle with the questions of what to even expect for heaven and can’t visualize it. This world is so dark that you can’t even imagine a better place. AJ okay, sancho says call him AJ. So we’ll call you AJ and say hi to the other people. Join us on Twitch. It’s great to actually see you guys in saying hi. So thank you. We are live and we do our best to answer questions as they come. So thank you all of you for coming in. So, talk about touching issue about suicide, right? And nobody usually wants to talk about it and it’s really interesting though what the Bible says. So the question I asked will all suicides go heaven? Some people might say well any but it’s interesting to first think about did Jesus, maybe even suicide. And this is controversial rate, but he says in one John 1017 therefore my father loves me because I laid down my life that I may take it again.

Speaker 2

No one takes it from me, but I lay it down myself, I have power to lay it down and have power to take it again. This command I received from my father. And then we also have in the story of Samson, where basically Samson asked God for strength to be able to take his life. He said Samson says in Judges 16, verse 30, let me die with the Philistines. And he pushed with all his might and the temple fell on the lords and all the people who were in it. So the dead that he killed at his death were more than he had killed in his life. So argument could be made here we have two suicides in the Bible, by one is Jesus, right? The man who did not send, and Samson, who is recorded in Hebrews eleven as being one of those people of faith that we could probably expect to see in heaven. But did they just casually lay down to life? What was the reason they did it? Samsung is complex, right? But at least the direct thing he accomplished was complete devastation of the Philistines. He said he killed more in that one act than he did the rest of his entire life combined.

Speaker 2

So it accomplished a lot of good. And then Jesus, of course, by his death, all of us find life now. And so it was not a selfish act, it was an act of love. But why would someone who’s feeling the urge to take their life, want to not do it? Why would you not want to do it. And I think the reason, there’s probably all sorts of reasons why people are filling those thoughts. When we were filming documentary on mental health, we kept seeing again and again and again the same story as someone saying like I’ve just been having these voices in my head, just end your life, just take it, just let go. And we don’t want anybody to entertain those thoughts. That is, I would say, the tongue of Satan. This life is again about, it should be about being loved and loving and maybe around you, the people around you, you’re not going to find that love. And that is a travesty. That was not what God wanted. But you today can enter into the relationship with God where you experience that love. And when people say what is the meaning of life?

Speaker 2

We always say it almost as a joke, like we’ll never know. But I say with confidence, the meaning of life is to love and be loved. That is it. And when you experience it, no one’s like feel that warmth and love and energy and delight and joy and peace and everything that comes from it. Suddenly now you can start conceiving how, okay, yes, I would love for it to never end. And when you experience the love of God and start begin to understand the unfathomable depth of his love for just even you as an individual. How much he cares for you. Eventually what happens is no longer will you be thinking about yourself. But you’re going to be so excited. So joyful. So full of love overflowing that then now you will want to tell everybody and you want to bring as many people with you into heaven. Because you realize that eternity is about the relationships, it’s about the interactions, it’s about the amazing experiences that we will be able to have, that we’ll be able to accomplish. No ear is heard. We can’t find Him what God has planned for us, but he’s given us little bit of indications here and there through the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2

And again it is going to be incredible. It is called paradise or reason. And I mean the food is going to be better again. Nothing is going to be stolen, nothing is going to die. You pick a rose, maybe it will never wilt. I mean, there’s going to be things that just don’t happen anymore. Everything breaks in this world, right? Everything’s breaking, everything’s falling apart. But then we’re going to have a world where none of that’s going to be the case. And now during this wretched life that we all go through, now this is our opportunity to help get as many other people to partaking that eternity too. So this now is for that it’s for the others. This is the time we give for others. And then God gives us eternity. I say why not?

Speaker 1

And I want to add to that also that I think one of the reasons why a lot of people struggle with suicide thoughts is because they want to have a purpose and they feel in their current environment that they’re not able to have that purpose. And sometimes in those situations, what we have to do is change our environment and find the environment where we can have that purpose of loving others and not where we are loving ourselves through something with someone else, but where our gifts, the things that are natural and easy for us to give, are a blessing and a help to another person.

Speaker 2

And hopefully you can find a community that can give that love to you too. So you can experience that here on there. God doesn’t want us to never experience love on this, right?

Speaker 1

It says we are giving of love and then we are also then receiving love because we can give and give and if we don’t ever receive it’s like we burn out, right? That doesn’t like we need to receive love as well. And we may not always receive that from the people we give to. Although in an ideal world, it’s a reciprocal kind of thing. We give love, we receive love and I give love to my husband, I receive love from him.

Speaker 2

God’s perfect system is everybody is giving. And because everybody is giving, everybody is receiving. And it’s sin that creates like the black holes that then start sucking up everything and creating these inequities.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and sometimes when we’re struggling with mental health, when we’re struggling with difficulties, we end up immersing ourselves into communities where everybody else is struggling too. And that can end up putting us in a situation then where lots of people are in need and nobody has much to give. And so it’s important than in those situations to be able to find other communities in places where there is love available to give and where people are giving that love and where we can receive the specific love that we need and be able to also give the love that we need to be able to give.

Speaker 2

All said thank you. That was the point I meant to make and didn’t do it well. Tina, any thoughts?

Speaker 3

Yeah, I guess I’m just going back to the two original questions that I’m seeing here from our audience. So the first one that was submitted was will all suicide go to hell? And so I guess kind of based on what you’re sharing first, also said go to help know like we see the who died for the cause of others, he laid down his life for somebody else. If you saw somebody in this about to get hit by a trainer bus and you sacrifice yourself and push mildly and you got hit and die, would God say like, oh no, you have to go to hell for that? Absolutely not. That’s not a situation where God would condemn somebody. However, in the case of suicide, where you’re just I think it’s definitely a touchy subject.

Speaker 4

But I think when it comes to.

Speaker 3

Suicide, it’s typically the result of one.

Speaker 4

Of two things through suicide is either one, somebody is suffering and they don’t want to suffer anymore. They’re feeling inner pain and they don’t want to feel that pain anymore. And so they want to take their life so they don’t have to feel that pain anymore.

Speaker 3

Or two, somebody suicides to avoid.

Speaker 4

Like there’s men in World War II who are Nazi soldiers and they knew if they were taking captive just killers also that you don’t like King Saul.

Speaker 2

In the Bible, right? He calls on his own sword exactly.

Speaker 4

Because he didn’t want to be taken by the enemy. And so in those cases, those are more a little bit trickier. Now in the case of somebody being mentally depressed, maybe not even in their own right mind, and they commit suicide. I think God is a fair and just judge and I think that God in his mercy will treat everybody with the fairness, everybody’s circumstances.

Speaker 3

Exactly.

Speaker 4

So I wouldn’t say that anybody who commits suicide is going to go to hell. No. But I would say that if you’re just wanting to not feel anymore, just to escape something and you do this knowing that it’s going to hurt people and you just don’t care and it’s more of an honestly a selfish thing, I think that’s also of itself a sin because you’re knowingly abandoning people, you’re knowingly harming people, your family, your parents, children, who knows? But at that point you have to say, I’m struggling and I need to find help. And I think that’s more the willingness to swallow your pride or whatever it is and seek out help so that you can face the pain or whatever it is that you’re going through in order to not rob the world of your presence in it. And like I said before, the thing with suicide is it’s not just murder, which is a breaking of one of the commandments, it’s stealing that’s steal, because you are stealing the world of the gift of you being in it. And that’s to me, the greatest sin of suicide is that you are valuable. God looked at the world and said, whoever, each individual person, we need this person in the world.

Speaker 4

There’s never somebody that got accidentally put here. Nobody is an accident. God intended for you to be alive. God intended for you to be on this planet and to be a blessing to those around you. And it breaks God’s heart to know that so many people don’t see the value that God sees in them. And so that’s where I think suicide becomes very tricky as far as who would pay for that sin and who wouldn’t. I think again, God is a merciful and it’s just God. But then I just want to really quickly touch on AJ’s question. If you did something bad and aren’t forgiven, then why not suicide? I think, AJ, you’re under the impression that you have to be forgiven by a person here on earth in order to go to heaven. And that’s not necessarily the case. AJ. I think as you study God’s word and as you get to know God personally, you’ll know that first and foremost, you need to be reconciled to God. Whenever you do something wrong, even if you’ve hurt somebody else, come to God with that and then let God forgive you. And then let God’s love and forgiveness then change you to go out and seek reconciliation.

Speaker 2

And adjacent where he talks about how he’s tired and it’s really hard to keep going. AJ. I think it is really hard. We always come to this point where, like, the dark night of the soul is sort of setting it’s interesting. We’re in the coaching industry now, and almost all coaches will tell you that you always reach a point where it just seems like harder and it just doesn’t look like there’ll be hope for tomorrow and that it is the time to give up. And what’s interesting, they say, is that’s always the time when you’re on the verge of a huge breakthrough, that’s the time when God is going to act most powerfully in your life. So my suggestion is, hang on, push through. There is hope, and God is about to do an amazing thing. And the Bible says that God will never let you fond of temptation without providing a way out. So God has a plan for you that can help you overcome your tiredness, what you’re feeling, whatever is the cause, whatever is keeping it going, god has a way out, and it’s a matter of continuing the persistence. The Bible talks about the patience of the saints because life is not easy.

Speaker 2

Not this one. The next one will be next week will be amazing. But it’s this time that when we push through and we get to the other side, we’re going to look back and say, oh, this really wasn’t so bad. I mean, it was bad, but it’s just that the reward was so much better. It is totally worth it. So I say, push through. You’re on the verge of something great. God accomplishing something great in you. Hang in there and we’ll keep you in prayer.

Speaker 1

And I just really want to echo what Jay just said that I was feeling on my heart to say even before you jumped in and said it. And there are people. And I’m going to just be really super vulnerable here for a minute. That I went through a very dark period where for several years I was weak. Exhausted. Not able I felt like I was not able to do my part to give back. There was a very extended period of time where I felt I was almost dependent on my husband to take care of me because my body was just so weak and so depleted and it is a hard journey to rebuild from. I had gone through a very stressful situation that really struck me to my core and then more stressful situations on top of that. And those things deplete our body. Stress is not just a spiritual thing or a psychological thing. It’s also a physical thing. And when we are in that situation where we just don’t have enough, sometimes we just need the right nourishment to get us built up. And then we have to work through the changes in our environment, in our relationships, in our communication patterns.

Speaker 1

And there’s many different things that we need to learn to work through and surrounding ourselves in communities of people where we learn those skills and we learn to rebuild in a healthier way, in a way that’s more aligned with God’s plan for us. That’s when we get victory. And I know how hard that struggle can be, but I also know that it’s possible to get through it. And I’m saying that because I’m here every week in this process and able to do things that I want to be able to do and that I’ve wanted to be able to do and to give back. And I wasn’t always in that situation. And I’ve interviewed many people who have gone through these same trials, have gone through the same struggles. And even though when you’re in that pit of darkness it can feel like there’s no way out, everything you look at is just like that doesn’t work. And that doesn’t work and I just can’t take it anymore. Like that’s how it feels, right? But keep going because you will eventually get the breakthrough and you become a new creation in that process. It literally does take a rewiring of our nervous system, which is like the core in our body.

Speaker 1

And when that happens and we develop new skills and new habits and new ways of handling things that are more in line with the character of Christ than what we were raised with and what we understood growing up, life changes and it changes significantly and it changes beautifully. And that’s the path in the direction that we want to go in.

Speaker 2

Like a crazy. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come, the old has gone and the new is here. That’s a beautiful promise we have.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 3

And I can’t help but think of we’ve answered questions similar to this in the past and at the end of our question, we’ve put up a suicide hotline number just because we always want to encourage everybody out there who may be struggling with these thoughts that God does love you, god does care. But there is a time and a place to reach out for.

Speaker 4

Help.

Speaker 3

And that’s just something that we want to always encourage to our viewers, is that God loves you and he cares about you. And he cares about you enough to want you to get the help and support that you may need. And I’m looking up on Google, it’s 180-273-8255. As far as just finding help out there for anybody who’s struggling with these thoughts and these feelings and things. Thank you to our director for putting that up.

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