What’s the actual time of Jesus’ birth and why do we celebrate Christmas on 25th Dec?

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Speaker 2

Alright.

Speaker 3

So this question is from Patricia, what real time of the year was Jesus birth and why do we celebrate the 25 December as his birthday? Who wants to take this?

Speaker 1

So, Tina, do you have verse handy or how about you pull up the verses while I just played a little bit?

Speaker 2

I don’t have a verse, so that’s my answer basically in essence. But did you want to see something first?

Speaker 1

For example, I think Matthew is the key to this one in part. So if you pull up the shepherds in the fields, if it was wintertime, they would not be out in the fields with their sheep. A lot of people will tell you that. And there are other clues and things we have that if you there’s actually a time prophecy in Daniel, I say when Jesus would come around. And if you backtrack and all that, you also end up with Jesus being born around the fall time. And then there are other clues as to when Jesus was circumcised, things like that. So if you go through, look at all the events and you carefully look it out, you end up with Jesus being born somewhere within September or October, most likely, which is really fascinating. It puts his birth around the time of the day of atonement.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

And if he was baptized around his day of atonement, that would make it really fascinating, too.

Speaker 2

That’s a really good point.

Speaker 3

Second part of the question that is why do we celebrate the 25 December as his birthday?

Speaker 2

That’s a great question. And just to kind of also support what kind of Jay was saying as well. Yeah. They suspect that his birthday was around early mid October is the best guess that I’ve heard. And again, that tends to somewhat coincide with the day of atonement, which again, is super fascinating because that means that was the end of the Jewish calendar and the beginning of a new Jewish year. And so it was a time to put away sin and start new. And so that’s the whole purpose of Jesus life was, as it says in Matthew chapter one, I believe verse 21, it says, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins. And so that was just kind of a beautiful thing. But I agreed definitely his birthday was based on those biblical clues sometime in the fall. But why do we celebrate on December 25 is a whole nether question. Do you mind if I give a little bit of some history there?

Speaker 3

Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 2

So my understanding is in the early Christian Church, some things got a little bit mixed up as far as some holidays getting mixed with some pagan holidays. And so not saying you can’t celebrate Christmas on December 25, I mean, I celebrate Christmas on December 25. I love it. Do I think that Jesus was necessarily born that day? No, but I think it’s a beautiful time of year where people are open to spiritual things. And I think it’s a good time to remember the coming of Christ and the wonderful sacrifice of his coming to Earth. However, the December 25, my understanding is there’s a mythological story of the Sun God being born, having a son on December 25 because it’s the winter solstice. And so because of that, it’s actually a celebration of son of a false God being born. Yeah.

Speaker 1

Because I think December 21 is the shortest day of the year. So in the Pega culture, the sun is shrinking and at its minimum and maybe, I guess you had like three and a half days and now you end up to a rebirth of the sun, which is fascinating.

Speaker 2

Yes, which is interesting. So I believe the name of the God was Tamus. If I’m not mistaken, that was supposedly born December 25. And so in early Christianity, a lot of stories to reach pagans, certain denominations mixed Christian values or Christian beliefs with some pagan stories to kind of help the pagans convert. And so I believe that was just kind of one of the melding that kind of happened. You see that with the story of Easter. Easter is ehtstar, which is the God of fertility. That’s why you celebrate people celebrate Easter with bunnies and eggs and chickens or baby chicks and stuff, because it’s fertility. It has nothing to do with Jesus’s resurrection. So it’s just kind of these weird blending’s that kind of happened over the years.

Speaker 1

But I got an interesting one, too, though. So Jesus was born end of September, early October. So let’s say end of September, you go add three months, you get to September, the end of December. Sorry, which some people say Jesus may have been conceived on December 25. Now, there’s absolutely no biblical basis for that, but it would be around this time of year that Jesus would have been conceived within Mary. But still, it’s an interesting thought, but clearly the Bible didn’t give us a specific day.

Speaker 3

Didn’t tell us keep that day.

Speaker 1

There are other days that the Bible says are more meaningful. That really should be more maybe on our thoughts.

Speaker 2

Amen. Yeah. Like the day God said to remember four. Sometimes we kind of touched on this. At our last show, somebody asked if Jesus had any siblings, and we were not 100% sure as to the blood relationship of them or not, because there’s certain things that we just don’t need to focus on. And if it’s not helping us become more like Christ, we don’t really need to worry about it. Like it says in Deuteronomy 29 29, it says the things which the Lord has revealed belong to us and our children forever so that we can keep all the words of this law. And so if it’s not helping us keep God’s law or helping us keep God’s word or share the gospel, live a Christ like life. You don’t need to worry about it so much. It’s my take on it, at least.

Speaker 1

So we do have a comment that came in regarding the pagan gods. Maybe we could put that comment up from Michael Soto and he says that the pagan God Mithra was born on the 25th and our calendar today actually is very much based on the Roman calendar. So that’s probably plausible and you’re probably right. So thank you, Michael. And I know Michael actually he knows a lot of Bible facts, so I’m glad he’s here and can help us answer all the questions.

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