Question on submission

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Speaker 1

Um, he says, that was the video when I asked you guys about submitting to your boyfriend. And then Jay used Ephesians 522 to explain his point. 522 20 to 21. Okay? He clarifies that and he says, I asked about submission because a lady said she submits to a man if he’s the right, the right guy. Many guys angrily disagreed and said that submission isn’t conditional.

Speaker 2

She said already be submissive.

Speaker 1

I’m not quite clear on the last part of what you’re saying there. I’m not sure what you mean by she said, already be submissive if you want to clarify that in the chat to us. So then second question is regarding my first question, is submission earned?

Speaker 3

So let’s take a look first at Ephesians 521 and it says, submitting yourselves one to another in fear. And here Christ or Paul is talking about generally Christians should submit to we should submit to each other. Then it goes into, Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands as unto the Lord.

Speaker 1

Submit yourself to one another in fear of God, which is, you said just in fear. So we don’t want people to feel like they have to submit untire. But the fear of God is more in reverence. Submitting to one another in reverence.

Speaker 3

And then next verse says, wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands as unto the Lord. And then we go down to Ephesians 525. And this part is critical. It says, Husbands, love your wives even as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself for it. And so we’re seeing this it’s almost like an interweaving pattern where everybody should be submitting to one another and everybody’s loving one another and everybody is lifting each other up and holding each other up and on one hand so is it mandatory? Is it conditional? This gets a little bit complicated because God’s law requires us to love. That is God’s law. And if we’re not wanting to be a part of God’s system of love, there’s only one other option that’s almost basically deciding to forfeit life. Because life depends on us wanting to love each other and wanting to love God. And that’s just critical. It’s fundamental. So it’s almost like, what if the planet Earth decides it suddenly doesn’t want to be bound to gravity, to the sun? It just wants to spin off and go somewhere else. Like it’s just going to be chaos and devastation. And so that’s the same thing.

Speaker 3

Like love is what keeps us in check. Love is essential, but at the same time, love has to be voluntary. Love can’t be forced, it can’t be coerced out of somebody. God has always given us choice. God gives each and every one of us the opportunity to say, god, I don’t want to love you, I don’t want to love others. Sorry, bye. That’s how it works. And so love has to be voluntary. But at the same time, love is essential to be able to be a part of God’s ongoing plan of eternal life.

Speaker 1

And Robert’s Clarification here with his lessons, he said she should already be submissive. This is what he meant by the last.

Speaker 3

But so I just talked about the perfect world, but what do we do in the imperfect world, right? We’re not in the perfect world. We’re not surrounded by people who are all loving us and caring for our best interest.

Speaker 1

And I want to add something here that you’re asking is it conditional? Does it need to be earned? And I would reframe this to say it needs to be safe. It doesn’t necessarily need to be earned, but it needs to be safe for someone to be submissive. And in many relational dynamics, somebody comes in and senses that if they operate a certain way here in a submissive kind of way, they’re going to be taken advantage of, exploited, hurt, harmed, or something is not going there. Is something they’re experiencing in the dynamic that sends up flags, that says, this is not safe for me to be submissive here. So I am not going to submit here. And I think that is probably more the heart of what this particular woman is trying to convey. And I don’t know if that helps clarify for you.

Speaker 4

Yeah, and if I could add something too, just to add to that point. When you look at Ephesians five, verse, I believe 21, where it says submitting to one another in the fear of God. What does the fear of God mean? Like biblically speaking, I think the best definition when you talk of the fear of God or the fear of the Lord is Proverbs 813, which says the fear of the Lord is to hate evil. So basically there’s another verse in Proverbs later where he says, the fear of the Lord is how we depart from evil. The fear of the Lord is to not participate in any evil. In Proverbs 16, verse six, it says, and by the fear of the Lord one departs from evil. So basically we’re submitting to each other in the fear of God in a way where it is away from something evil. So if we’re submitting to each other, we have to make sure that it’s something like Wendy saying that’s safe because it’s not participating in anything evil. Now if you’re submitting to somebody in an abusive relationship, that’s evil. Abuse is evil. You can’t be part of that.

Speaker 4

That’s not something you want to submit yourself to. And so I believe that’s why Paul wrote it in this context, like understanding, like in the fear of God, because in God there is no one. Corinthians 13 defines God. God is love, love is patient, love is kind. Love thinks no evil, it doesn’t do any harm. And so when we’re submitting to each other, it’s with the understanding that the situation is one where there is no evil, there is no harm in that situation. And so again, it is a place that is safe. Now, if it’s something that’s not safe, that’s not something that you should submit to. And maybe some guys are going to be angry because they want their women to submit no matter what, but that’s an evil thing that’s not right. And so it’s not biblical. And so I don’t care what anybody says. I want to know what the Bible says. And I think the Bible is pretty clear that nobody is supposed to be submitting into something where they’re allowing harm to occur because that’s not right.

Speaker 3

Yeah. If you’re to ask God, God, why should we submit to you? I don’t think his answer will be because I’m more powerful than you. God’s answer will be because I love you, and I have done everything I can to prove My love to you.

Speaker 1

And what’s interesting is God even submits to us. It is a mutually submissive, not in the sense that he necessarily compromises for us, but in that loving sense. If you’ve ever wrestled with God on things, you may know that he makes short term sacrifices for long term gains for us. He wants us to know his love and to move each step possible, the biggest step we can take. He understands that may not always be as far as he wants us to go, but he’s going to meet us where we’re at, wherever we are on that journey because he wants us to know his love. And so that’s the nature of a healthy relationship, whereas there are many relational dynamics where it is this power struggle thing and a man wants a woman to submit rather than him stepping up and growing. And it’s like that dynamic isn’t going to work in a relationship. And it doesn’t necessarily mean that either one of them is sinning. It could just mean that other than beyond the fact that we all live in a sinful, broken world. Right.

Speaker 2

But it could just mean that they.

Speaker 1

Just aren’t the right match for each other.

Speaker 2

And that’s okay if that’s the dynamic.

Speaker 1

That they are experiencing with their interactions. And so I tend to look at it more that way rather than getting into a battle of when it’s the right relationship. Submission is very natural from both parties. That’s my experience with this wonderful husband. So I think when it’s meant to be, that dynamic works in a mutually submissive and safe and respectful way.

Speaker 4

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