“Moses was not on the mount of transfiguration”. Can you change my mind on this?

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Speaker 2:

Okay, so here’s one. Moses was not on the Mount of Transfiguration change my mind. So the question is, physically or spiritually on the Mount of it was posted on our Facebook group. So, Jay, do you want to tackle that one first or do you want me to go into that?

Speaker 1:

Go ahead and tackle that one.

Speaker 2:

Okay, let’s go ahead and look it up in the Bible.

Speaker 1:

First of all, maybe I should set the stage. It’s one of these things where the Bible has a story and the Bible says something. And the question is going to be, do we believe the biblical account? And if we do, then if we don’t, well, then what else do we not believe about the Bible.

Speaker 2:

For sure. All right, so let’s see. I apologize. I don’t know where it is off the top of my head in the Bible. So I’ve read the Bible a lot. Here it is, chapter nine, verse 30. So this is where Jesus is about to go to Calvary. He’s going to be crucified very soon, but he takes his three most close disciples, John, James and Peter, up on a mountain with him. And if you scroll down to chapter verse 30, it says, and behold, they talked with him, two men, which were Moses and Elias or Elijah. So basically, in verse 31, it says, who appeared in glory and Spake of his deceased, which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. And so basically, Jesus is here speaking with Moses, the Prophet of the Old Testament, as well as Elijah. And to be honest, I do believe it was them in person because I think that both Moses and Elijah were both translated to heaven. And there’s biblical evidence for that. We know for Elijah, he was translated straight, like in a chariot. And when his partner Eliisha wanted to know if he was going to have the same spirit, Elijah tossed his mantle on the way as Elijah was translated to heaven directly.

Speaker 2:

Now, Moses is a little bit different. And you read about this in the book of Jude. Sorry, Jude only has one chapter if you go to Jude, chapter one, it talks about where Michael the Archangel, which I do believe is Jesus. Archangel just means a leader of the Angels. Not that Jesus is an angel in any way, but if you look in Jude one, verse nine, it says yet, Michael, the Ark Angel, when contending with the devil, he disputed about the body of Moses. Durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebukes you. So basically, after Moses had died, it appears that Michael, what is another name for Jesus before he came to Earth, was arguing with the devil over the body of Moses. And he says, The Lord rebuke you. So basically, the devil was accusing Moses, hey, he’s not going to go to heaven. He’s mine, he sinned. And Jesus saying, no, he’s my child. He still submitted to me, I’m going to take him to heaven. So I do believe that Moses was resurrected and taken to heaven directly. I think he was a special case with God.

Speaker 2:

Moses is called a friend of God. And so I do think that both of them are in heaven. I don’t believe that most people have gone to heaven yet. I believe that won’t happen until the resurrection. Wendy, any thoughts?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I just want to reinforce here this account of the Transfiguration is recorded in all three of the synoptic Gospels. So what that means is in the book of Matthew, it’s in the book of Market, it’s in the book of Luke. And if you look at, for example, Matthew, Matthew 17, verse one, it says and after six days, Jesus takes Peter, James and John and brings them up to a high mountain. So this is a setup. Jesus brought Peter, James and John three people. And the Bible says things could be established by the word of two or three witnesses. So Jesus brought three witnesses. John wrote the gospel of John and he also writes the letter of John. And in John’s letter, let me pull this up. So first, John, verse one to three, he talks about that which we have seen and heard declare, we unto you that you may have fellowship with us. And truly our fellowship is with the Father and with the Son Jesus. So he’s telling you like I’ve seen with my own eyes, with my own ears, these are things that I’m sharing with you. I’m an eyewitness.

Speaker 2:

Same thing with Peter. Again, one of those three people taken up to see Jesus speaking with Moses and Elijah. And he talks about two Peter 116. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables when we have made known unto you the power in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his Majesty. So this is not just stuff that was by inspiration of God. I mean, I believe these writings, we have were guided by the Holy Spirit. They were inspired in part. But still these humans, these people, these eyewitnesses, are writing what they saw and experience for themselves too. I think we’ve discussed previously, how would they have known that that was Moses and that was Elijah? I mean, we’re not talking about something that just happened for 5 seconds. That’s how long it takes us to read this. But Jesus probably was talking for a few hours with these guys. And I’m sure Jesus would have name dropped Moses and Elijah a few times during that whole conversation. It would have been very clear from the discussion who Jesus was speaking to be on question. And this is why Peter then says, oh my, hey guys, how about I build you 310, three Tabernacles that you guys can hang out and this is so awesome that you’re here.

Speaker 2:

If we don’t believe this, I don’t know what else we could believe in the Bible?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, definitely. I think the Bible is very clear about a lot of these things and maybe it’s something that’s like that’s unbelievable, but honestly, that’s how God is in our lives. Like when you have an experience with him and you tell people, the Bible says you’ll tell people and they won’t believe you because it will be an incredible thing. And honestly, that’s been my experience with God. I can’t tell you the miracles that have happened in my life. Just how real God has been to me. And obviously it would be even greater in Jesus life as he was so connected to his father.

Speaker 1:

Exactly. Amen have blessed you out for the Bible. Amen.

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