Is there such a thing as eternal security?

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Speaker 1

I guess now we can go on to the next question.

Speaker 2

Yes. All right.

Speaker 3

So Glenn is asking, is there such a thing as eternal security? The Bible doesn’t seem to indicate it. It seems to be a doctrine of man.

Speaker 1

All right, Glenn, that’s a great question. Really good question. At first, I didn’t know what you meant by eternal security, because to me, when I hear of eternal security, I think of once we are saved, when salvation comes, we can always have certainty in that. But really, it’s a kind of a related topic, but it’s what often people call once saved, always saved. And a lot of Christians, this tends to mean that they’ve been baptized and that then they’re never going to be lost. Baptized. Now I’m saved. And usually people associate that, right? They’ll ask, have you been saved? Meaning have you been baptized? And therefore you’re always going to be saved. It’s guaranteed. And we should have assurance that we’re saved. We shouldn’t be living in fear each day of, oh, are we saved? Are we not? But let’s look at what the Bible really does say on this topic. And before I do, I want to say hello to Marie. Thank you for joining us today. And Felipe, thanks for giving us a week to get to your question. I’m definitely looking forward to that next week. So let’s take a look at Ezekiel 18.

Speaker 1

Ezekiel 18 and maybe sorry, verse 21. Ezekiel 18, verse 21. And it says, but if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he committed, keeps my statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. So I think Lavish might say he’s saved. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. Do I have any pleasure at all in the wicked that they should die? Says the Lord. Says the Lord. And not that he should turn from his ways and live. But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations of the wicked man shall he live. All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed because of them, he shall die. So what is God saying? He even said that someone was righteous. Maybe it was that sinner who earlier was saved, but then he turns away from that path of righteousness and now he’s going to die.

Speaker 1

This is what God’s saying. You can lose that state of being saved, in a sense. And by the way, think of what being saved means. If you’re walking along and you see someone in quicksand and they’re calling out to you, they’re saying, Save me, right? And you reach out and you pull them out of that quicksand. Are they now? Forever saved? Or is it possible that they could fall back in to that trap that quicksand and need to be saved again? It’s the same concept. Let’s look now at One Corinthians 927, Paul writes but I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest when I have preached to others, I might become disqualified. I mean, he’s talking about salvation is like a race and you want to get to the end, but he says it’s possible become disqualified. One. Timothy four. One to three. Now the Spirit expressly says that in the latter times some will depart from the faith. So they were in the faith, they may have been baptized, they were saved, as some people might say, but they will depart, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies and hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to stain from foods which God had created.

Speaker 1

On and on it goes on. These people are totally lost, it’s saying, because of the direction they chose to go. First Timothy 416 watch your life and doctrine closely. Preserve them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and hearers Hebrews six, four to six. This is a very important one. Hebrew six, starting at verse four. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come if they fall away. So it doesn’t say it’s impossible for them to fall away. It says it is impossible if they fall away, to renew them again, to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God and put him to an open shame. And again, don’t lose hope. Like if you’ve been baptized and you fall, you can come back to Christ. But it is so much harder. The more you know, the closer you come to God, the farther you’re going to fall. It’s like the higher you are, the farther you fall. Same concept.

Speaker 1

The closest person to God with Satan, and look how far he has fallen. It’s impossible for him to get back up. So once you get to know God and you’re getting closer and closer and closer, don’t think of turning back, because that’s going to be very hard to get saved again. Second Peter sorry I’m giving you so many verses, but I think this is such an important point. The Bible is so clear on this. Second Peter 220 to verse 22 for if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world to the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome by sin. The latter end is worse for them than the beginning, so they’re worse off than they would. You’re worse off if you’re converted and baptized and fall than if you had never been converted in the first place, so I can’t keep going. I have so many more verses. The Bible is clear. We have to really focus on keeping this relationship with Christ. As John 15 talks about, from verses one to seven, jesus says, you need to abide in me. He is the branch or he is a vine.

Speaker 1

We are the branches. We have to remain rooted in Him. We have to remain connected to Him. And if we get caught off, we will wither and we will die. And then Jesus says, we will be burned. So remain in Christ. Then we can have assurance we’ll be saved. And once Jesus puts an end to sin, there’s absolutely going to be no return of sin. The Bible is very clear on that, that it shall never come back again.

Speaker 3

All right, Tina, do you have anything to add on that? We don’t have your audio. You’re on mute.

Speaker 2

I’m talking, but no one meme of the year.

Speaker 1

You’re on mute.

Speaker 2

Sorry about that. This is always one that I’ve heard people say. Well, basically they say if somebody is converted and then falls away, they were never really converted in the first place. And so that tends to be an argument that I hear a lot from people who are like, so you can’t lose your salvation, because if you really were converted, you wouldn’t fall away. But I don’t think that’s true, especially based on all the verses that you’re sharing, because, like you’re saying, there’s a righteous person, if they do wickedly, they’re going to be punished for it. And there’s so many other verses that go along with what you’re saying. And when I think of this topic of once, they’ve always saved. Can you lose your salvation? I think of people like Saul, who prophesied he was the chosen king. He was a good man, but he turned away, and I don’t believe he’ll be in the kingdom.

Speaker 1

Right. He even had the spirit yes, exactly. On him. He prophesied you’re right. And yet he ended in total darkness.

Speaker 2

Exactly. And I think of Paul when he says, let no one take your crown. Sorry, trying to remember where that’s at.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that’s a good one.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I can’t think of off the top of my head, but basically he says, don’t let anyone take your crown, meaning that there’s a crown laid up for you in heaven, but it can be taken from you. It’s not guaranteed if you fall away, like you’re saying, those who would fall away from the faith. And so, yeah, I have to agree with you as much as I’ve heard both sides, but the Bible just seems to be very clear that you have to abide.

Speaker 1

Landon has landon, sorry to interrupt. Landon has a great comment.

Speaker 2

Yes, I’d love to hear it.

Speaker 3

Landon says, God saved all the Israelites out of Egypt, and yet many turned away, did wickedly, and were ultimately separated and destroyed.

Speaker 2

Yeah, like you think of Qura? He went through everything was let out, but then he got jealous of Moses and him and the people that followed after him swallowed up.

Speaker 1

But even that whole generation, they were supposed to march straight into heaven. Sorry, figuratively, but straight into the promised land. But after the twelve spies came back and Ten gave that negative report, they panicked, oh no, we’re all going to die. And then God says, that’s it, you guys doubted me and you don’t believe me, you don’t trust me. You’re all going to die in the desert.

Speaker 2

Yeah. In Aaron’s Sons, Naidab and Abai, who, they were priests, they were priests of God called to service and they were anointed into the priesthood by God. And yet they thought, well, I can just do whatever I want, I can worship God how I want. And then they offered strange fire and they were consumed. I mean there’s so many instances, it’s like you really can’t argue that if you’re saved, if you accept God and you turn away, that you can’t lose your salvation. Because God also says that their names are blotted out. You can be blotted out. In Revelation chapter, I think it’s two or three, we’re talking to the churches, he says, I will not blot your names out of the book of life. And so, yeah, you can get your name blotted out. Not that you should live in fear, but just as an awareness of your salvation is dependent on your choice because God will not force you to stay a Christian. It is a daily surrender.

Speaker 1

Exactly. And to me the message of the Bible is we can change. You could be a sinner and become righteous. Your past can be forgotten, like we read in that first verse, or you can be a righteous person and change for the worse and that good person, since you were before will be forgotten. God looks at where we are today and our last state is what we’re judged on.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I agree. And I think a lot of times maybe it seems like, man, God’s so harsh, he’s not going to even care about all the good I’ve done. And some people are like, well if I did more good in my life than bad, then that means I’m saved. But you’re showing the thief on the cross. I mean, he was bad up until basically at the end of his life. In those last few moments he accepted Christ and was repentant and we know that he will be saved. So it’s not really about how much of your life he spent doing good. God’s not interested in all the good deeds you’ve done. It’s more just where is your heart? Where did your heart ultimately come to? And like, you look at the story of the parable of the prodigal son, where the one son was faithful but his heart was not right, whereas the other son that went away but came back, God accepted him. And so it’s just more about where’s the heart, where you end up.

Speaker 3

Landon had another really good comment here, if you want to bring that up. It says, once saved, always saved has created an in need relationship with God versus an everyday connection to him. I think that’s a really valid point.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

We don’t realize we have to continue to abide in him in order to find life.

Speaker 3

And really being in connection with God is the mere definition of a good deed if you’re doing things that look good from a human perspective, but it’s not what God is wanting you to do. Is it really good? Is it really the right thing to be doing? God has a plan for you. And some things that look like good deeds, you know, it’s just like it’s it’s you can liken it to, you know, enabling somebody. Sometimes you can do good to help somebody. It seems like a good thing you’re doing, but it can actually be enabling them to continue in an unhealthy path. And if it wasn’t God telling you to do it and you’re just doing it because you want to be, you know, you want to feel important by doing this sort of thing, well, that’s not actually doing good. So being in connection with God is essential to do that. Yeah.

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