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Speaker 1
So Serendi is asking in your answer about 666?
Speaker 1
You mentioned it’s, Pope, but how do you know it? Hence there was no such title used in his crown and Uriah Smith was wrong about this.
Speaker 2
Alright, Sondy, good question. And definitely there’s not necessarily a strong consensus at all what 66 means. And so to give a bit more context though, as to how we’ve previously stated that it is referring to the papacy, the lineage of the Pope, let’s look at first how we got there. So if we look at Revelation 1316 to 18, it says he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive the mark on the right hand of his foreheads and that no man shall buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, where it is the number of a man. His number is six. That word number, there is a Greek word or from which we clearly get our English word arithmetic. It does mean a fixed indefinite number or indefinite number multitude, just like how the word number works in our language. But generally there is a strong consensus that this language here of numbering is referring to taking the letters in that person’s name and then figuring out the numerical value of those letters and adding them up and see if they reach there’s all sorts of people who through history have had their names numbered and comes up to but there’s an interesting title of the Pope which is and then again.
Speaker 2
There’s controversy here vicarious Felix Day and on the one hand. There’s a lot of people that go with the Catholic Church that says this is not an official title of the Pope. And so I want to recognize that. And then there is also within the Catholic literature a lot there saying this is a title or pretty much saying just about that. And the first document that really had it was supposedly this document by Constantine really giving authority to the Catholic Church around 17 00 18 00 there was no even before that, there was a researcher who looked at this document, this conveyance of power by hunting, and said, wow, this document looks like a forgery. And really it looked like it just popped out nowhere around 1100 or just maybe the Catholic Church or people in the Church made it to sort of provide the authority for the Pope and a lot of people a huge consensus today is that it was a forgery. So there’s some credence to that. However, the person who wrote that or discovered that it was a forgery was persecuted for heresy in connection with even saying that it was a forgery.
Speaker 2
And there are people within, again, the Catholic Church who have reaffirmed this concept that the hope is the Vicarus filet Day, the Vicar of the Son of God. And if you think of the constant of what does victor mean? It means someone who sends in the place of and when we talk about Antichrist, it doesn’t mean against Christ. Like we tend to think in English. Oh, anti, it means anti, like exactly. The Vicar of Christ. And so has sent, the Catholic Church says, believes that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, stands in the place of Christ. That would be Antichrist. And that title would apparently summarize in that concept and I don’t want to speak for them. Do your research, talk to as many as you want, come to your own conclusions about that. There is so much context that reaffirms this notion that the papacy was the power that and we talked about just earlier was the power that was persecuting God’s true church. And one of the biggest events that the Bible was warning in the Old Testament and New Testament is this huge apostasy of Christianity, where Christianity falls plummets off of the way, the path that God had intended and goes into paganism and doing things that are exact opposite of what God intended.
Speaker 2
And God has been trying to restore the way, rebuild the breach and get back to where we were. But, yeah, just go back in history. Who was persecuting and who was being persecuted? What are the authorities and powers claimed by the Catholic Church? Does it claim to have the power to forgive sin? Does it claim to be able to change God’s laws? We just spoke about the Sabbath and how God’s seal is in there and keeping the Sabbath is worshipping God and keeping his commandments. So if someone says, I’m going to change God’s times and laws, I’m going to say, don’t worship on this day, worship on a different day, claiming that authority over God. What does that say about that power? Does that fit into the biblical descriptions of Antichrist? Or that little home power, as it’s called in Daniel? So big for yourself, study for yourself, don’t take our word for it at all. But whether or not the calculations of six to six is correct, like whether or not it is actually based on Vicarious Filet Day chance, we’ll see someday if that really was what got intended, maybe there’ll be a different time, a different manner of calculating that we’ll discover at the very end.
Speaker 2
But I think the end result is still correct. The answer that we stated was correct about who is that beast that we identified in Romans? Sorry. Not Romans in Revelation 13. Are you back?
Speaker 3
Yeah, I’m back. And actually, I really appreciate the answer. I think it was very well done. I’m sorry.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I was going to say, maybe we should add a caveat to that. We’re not speaking poorly at all about Catholics.
Speaker 3
No, exactly. I have the deepest love and respect for all my Catholic brothers and sisters and I know I’ve shared this before, but I come from I’ve been baptized Catholic, one of my parents are Catholic. I understand that background and I understand it’s unique in how the Catholic view on certain things. And I have to be very respectful when I bring this up, but I have to also be true to God’s word at the end of the day. And that’s really where I think the question lies is what does God’s Word say and how do we interpret his prophecy? And when you look at Revelation, chapter 13 in verse five, talking about they worship the dragon earth, saying, who is like unto the beast who will make war with him? In verse five, it says, and there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemy. And what is blasphemy? And if you look at John chapter ten and verse 33, it says basically Jesus claimed to be God and the Jews answered him saying basically it was going to stone him. And Jesus says, Why are you going to stone me? In verse 33, it says the Jews answered him saying, for good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy, because thou being a man, makeest thyself God.
Speaker 3
And the thing is, what is the only person who’s been in a position and when you go back to Revelation 13 again, this beast that has this mouth that speaks great things, in verse five, it says and was given unto him to continue 42 months, which prophetically it’s 1260 years. There’s not one person that could have been alive that long. And so it’s a person in this position. Yeah, exactly. And if you look at that time when the papacy was set up and given authority, not just religious, but also state authority and military authority, what did the Church do with it? They persecuted God’s people they killed look at the history of the Inquisition. They killed thousands and thousands and thousands of people who just wouldn’t adopt the Catholic version of what they believe truth to be. And so that’s not the way of Christ and that’s not God’s way. And so you have to understand, we’re not saying, oh, all Catholic people are bad, or every pope goes around doing these things, but it’s rather and we’re.
Speaker 2
Not even judging specific popes.
Speaker 3
Exactly.
Speaker 2
Even the King of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, appears to have his name written in the book of life. There may be Pope’ll be there that could be Catholics. I’m confident there’s been a ton of Catholics in heaven.
Speaker 3
Oh, yeah know for sure. And I think God even specifies that he has so many of his people in the Catholic Church and the people who are my family, my parent that is Catholic, my siblings, my family that are Catholic, absolutely. I’m expecting to see them in heaven. I have no doubt that they will be there because I see that they have God’s, Spirit and Jesus living in their hearts and lives. I don’t doubt that in any way, but it’s rather just this position of putting a man in the position of God that goes against the Bible, that goes against the word of God and.
Speaker 2
God, someone in between us and God. So contrary to everything the Bible says, where it’s us and then God, and we have direct connection with them exactly.
Speaker 3
When we call him Father, because Pope means father. That’s what pope pope means. It means Father. And Jesus said, call no man Father but your Father in heaven. So we should not do something that is directly in contradiction to what Jesus specifically said to his people as far as understanding where religious authority lies. And the fact of the matter is that Jesus is our only mediator between God the Father and us. So we don’t need to rely on another person to gain access to our heavenly Father.
Speaker 2
And the whole market to be things is significant in the sense that even maybe up until now. For most people. God might wink at your ignorance of the times where maybe you’re keeping Sunday. You’re not worshiping on Sabbath. But the Bible is talking about there’s going to be a time where we will all have to choose. Will we concede to the authority asserted by the beast trying to force the Sunday law? Or are we going to stand for the truth and obey God? And at that time our decision is going to make all the difference. And that’s the whole study and of itself. But the six to six is closely associated with the mark of the beast. It’s important to understand who’s this authority, who’s this power. The Bible is warning you to not obey and to understand. Are you going to worship God or are you going to worship the beast? And remember again, worship is obedience and submission. So who do you obey? Who do you submit to?
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