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Is feeling good about being independent a pride?

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Speaker 1

Do you think feeling good about being independent is a form of pride?

Speaker 2

I think it depends on what you mean by independent. Like, if you feel good about like, oh, I’m independent, I can take care of myself. Like, I have a good paying job, or things like that. I don’t think it’s wrong to be like, oh, this is a job well done. But but I think at the same time, we have to recognize that everything we have is a gift from God. And even if we are independent in the sense that, yeah, we don’t have to depend on our parents for financial things or we don’t have to depend on our spouse financially or whatever, I don’t know. There’s different ways you can be independent. At the end of the day, everything we have is still a gift from God. Oh, I see. She says not, like, needing help from people, feeling like we don’t need anyone, like, need as emotionally or need as financially or even both. I don’t know. I think that’s something maybe if you’re questioning it, I think you should come to the Lord about it and just the Bible says, examine yourself and see if you’re in the faith. And just come to Lord and say, lord, is my heart right with you?

Speaker 2

Is my heart right with other people? Basically, if you don’t feel like you need somebody, I think this is what I’m hearing. If you don’t need other people in the sense of emotional needs, it’s like, oh, I don’t really need them. It’s like, yeah, if they want to be my friends, great. If not, whatever. But at the same time, it’s like, okay, but is your focus on yourself or is your focus on loving other people and making sure that they are okay and you’re giving them what they need as far as your connection to them so that they are blessed and you’re being a blessing to them? I think maybe that might be I.

Speaker 1

Think there definitely could be a very dangerous sense of self sufficiency where, yeah, you really think you know everything you have everything, you got this. And for us, we do a lot with coaches, and that’s usually one of my concern with the coaching industry, is it really teaches self sufficiency, and you just can think it manifests everything. And it really takes out this component of depending on God and even seeing yourself as a limited human being, that to reach your full potential, must lean on others too. And God wants us to be that way, where you’re good at something, someone else is good at something else. And together we create this beautiful collective body of humanity and achieve something more than we ever could on our own.

Speaker 3

To me, it’s really a question of connectedness and relationship and are we holding this place of independence from a place of pride? I don’t need a relationship with anybody else. I don’t want to be in a relationship with anybody else or with God, I want to just be on my own versus recognizing the value of the relationship with God, recognizing the value of the relationship with other people and why they’re in our lives. And what is the purpose of this as far as glorifying God and being a conduit? If we are connected with God and God brings somebody into relationship with us, we may be a connection to God for them. That relationship, that connection with us may help them come to know God’s love better. Hopefully, that is the goal of it. And if we walk around with this attitude of, well, they’re not good enough for me, and so I’m not going to have a connection or a relationship with them, well, now we’re letting pride interfere with God’s ability to work through us.

Speaker 1

I mean, all the law is about love and relationships. So if we’re engaging in thoughts and activities that are damaging of relationships, odds are, I mean, it’s almost guaranteed you’re violating God’s law.

Speaker 2

Yeah. And I think, too, I think it’s so easy to get to a point in life yeah, where you do think, like, oh, I’m independent, I don’t need anyone, or I don’t need anyone’s help. But the thing is, you have to remember, like, the very reason you exist is because God created you. And the very reason you’re alive today is because your parent is. That’s not going to last forever, because eventually, it’s sad to say, we’re going to get old, we’re going to need help down the line some point in time. We are going to need somebody to care for us when we’re elderly. And so it’s just it is a slippery slope, like you’re saying, because it’s very easy to think that this state of perfection or whatever independence is going to last forever, but it doesn’t. And I think that’s so true of, like, so many things, like wealth. Some people are like, oh, I worked my way up and now I have money and I don’t need anybody. And it’s like, well, you don’t know what a day may bring, and your wealth could be gone in an instant. And so you can’t trust in, you know, your independence.

Speaker 2

You can’t put your trust in those things. I guess that’s more what I’m saying. Don’t put that on. Make Jesus your rock.

Speaker 1

There’s always like two two ditches that Satan can have you go on. And the other side of the ditch would be too much reliance and dependence on a human being. And you almost established in an idol, in that person that then distracts you and takes you away from your relationship and dependence on God. I want to highlight that too. It’s always a balance.

Speaker 2

Yeah, for sure.

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