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Wendy:
Alright, let’s get our next question up here.
Jay:
And this is kind of a related question too. And I hope Anthony is with us today. I know we made a way last week to get to this one. Hope Anthony, if you’re there, let us know.
Tina:
Okay.
Wendy:
So the question is death is no more, as most believe, we shed the body and step into the greater reality. So where is death study Preterist views there’s a very good case for 70 AD to be way more significant. I was a futurist and now see the greater evidence for it most everything in Revelation is figurative for what was coming soon.
Tina:
I’m glad that you’re studying your Bible and you’re desiring to know what it means, but I really have to respectfully and here’s the thing. Christians. We can read the same thing and come to a different conclusion. And that’s true. And that’s just part of having discussion and learning and growing as Christians and brothers and sisters in Christ. When it comes to the Preterist view. Basically, the Preterist view is that the prophecies of the Old Testament have already been fulfilled. They were fulfilled in 70 AD. To answer your question about death, death is asleep.
Tina:
That’s very clear. If you read 1 Thessalonians 4 verses 13 through 17. Basically Paul says I would not have you ignorant brother concerning the them which are asleep that you start or not, even as others who have no hope, because people who are dead are considered asleep. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again. Even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him? So God is very clear. The Bible is very clear that death is like asleep. But when will we see those people again?
Tina:
You keep reading in that verse or in that chapter in verse 16 it says for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout and with the voice of the Archangels and with the Trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first. So my brother, I’m sorry, but in 80 70 we did not see Jesus come in the clouds. He didn’t resurrect people. We’re not all like it says in verse 17 in which our liver remains shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
Tina:
So shall we ever be with the Lord. We’re here on Earth. So I don’t see how we can say that the Kingdom has come in 70 AD. It hasn’t. It clearly hasn’t. And if you go to the prophecies of the book of Daniel, such as Daniels 8:14, the 2300 day prophecy. It says unto 2300 days, then child to sanctuary, be cleansed. We know that in the Bible there’s a day for a year principle that you read about, like in Ezekiel chapter four. And so basically that prophecy began in 457 BC.
Tina:
It went until 118 thousand 44 Ad, and we’re still here on Earth during that time. And same thing with the prophecies of Daniel chapter twelve, where it says 1335 and 1290. And the Bible also says in the Book of Revelation, multiple prophecies about the three and a half years or the 40 in two months. It’s the same thing. It’s 1260 literal days or prophetic years. And so that happened in 538, and that ended again in 1798. You see events that are very clearly distinctive as far as when those occurred and what they mean.
Tina:
So as much as I respect your opinion, Anthony, I have to respectfully disagree, because the Bible is very clear that there’s prophecies that went well beyond 80 70. And the thing is, when it comes to death, those who are asleep in God or in Jesus, they’re going to be resurrected on that last day when God blows Jesus blows the trumpet, he is the leader of the Angels, and he’s going to resurrect his people and take them to heaven. And that clearly has not happened yet. We still live in a world where we’re not with the Lord, where we’re stuck on this Earth with sin and all the terrible things that go along with it.
Tina:
And I can’t wait for that day when Jesus comes and calls us home so that we can ever be with the Lord and be away from this world and be with Him in glory. So those are my thoughts on that. Do you have anything else?
Jay:
I think those are great verses and to touch on or to connect with the first, Thessalonians four that you cited about how we’ll be transformed and then taken up into the clouds, and Jesus will never touch the Earth, at least for that second coming. I recently was listening to the book of Philippians, and it’s really interesting. Philippians three verse 20. It reads, for our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus, who will transform our lowly body, that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which he is able even to subdue all things to him.
Jay:
And, yeah, we have not seen our bodies transformed yet, and it’s not saying it’s going to convert us into a spirit. No, it’s going to convert the body. We have now into a new glorious body like his glorious body. And as Thessalonians four says, that’s going to come at the Lord’s appearance, the transformation of the bodies. And at the same time when the dead and Christ will be resurrected. That’s because talking about how there’s sort of two comings of the Kingdom, there’s the Kingdom of Grace which we’re under right now, then there will be coming of the Kingdom of glory.
Jay:
And so when we get the glorious bodies, when Christ comes in His fullness of glory, in the fullness of the glory of the Father, that’s now the establishment of the Kingdom of glory, that’s the next phase of rolling in the Kingdom of God, Amen.
Tina:
And again going back to something I think we touched on a few weeks ago talking about us being mortal and then putting on immortality like you read in one Corinthians 1553, it says, for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. We are mortal. We die here on this Earth. But we are going to put on immortality. And it says in one Corinthians 15:54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, death is swallowed up in victory.
Tina:
So this is a future event, absolutely, because we have not conquered death yet we die, we’re mortal and we’re susceptible to disease and death, and all these things that will not be affected by in heaven. Like when you read Revelation 21, verse four, it says, Then God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow nor crying. Neither shall there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away, and that’s in the future, in heaven, in the Kingdom of God.
Tina:
And just one last point to reiterate because my friend Anthony had stated, Christ in you. But you didn’t finish the verse, because if you read in Colossians chapter one, which I believe you’re quoting, it says, Christ in you, the hope of glory Christ in you is the hope that we have that great hope, the hope of the coming of the Lord. And so again, it’s all about us needing God and us living this life here and choosing day by day. Who will we serve? Where do we want to be in that great day when Jesus comes, do we want to be in His Kingdom, or do we not?
Tina:
Do we make our citizenship there now here on this Earth, so that when he comes we have rights to the tree of life because we have accepted the gift of the Son of God Jesus. And like it says in Colossians chapter one, to the Saints and faithful brethren in Christ Grace be unto you and peace from God, our Father. And again in Colossians chapter one, that’s where it says that we have this hope, which is from the mystery, from the foundations of the world, even Christ, and you the hope of glory.
Tina:
So this has been since the beginning of time when the prophecy of Genesis chapter 315 says that there will be enmity between thy seed, the Satan’s seed and God’s seed God’s people. And one day that Jesus is the one who’s going to destroy the serpent. And Jesus also says in Romans eight, verse 20 that you shall crush Satan underneath your feet. So we have a part to play in the second coming of Christ. And the part we play is that we fulfill Christ in us, and when we represent is going to fully reproduce God’s character in us through the Grace of Christ.
Tina:
Then Jesus can come and take us as his own. So that’s my two cent on that Amen.
