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Which Bible verse proves there’s no Trinity?

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Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

So Maria is asking which Bible versus prove that there is no Holy Trinity. That is an interesting question because the way it’s written is it already giving the answer that it wants to heal here. So I appreciate your question. I think it’s a good question if that’s the frame of mind you’re in is you’re questioning whether or not basically there is a Holy Trinity mentioned in the Bible. Now there is no word Trinity in the Bible that is true. The word Trinity never appears in the Bible. But I do have to say that there are a lot of Bible verses that show that there is a Godhead made of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit because the word Trinity just means three beings grouped together. And I do believe that there are three beings that make up God which is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And these beings, there is some mystery around God. We can’t fully comprehend all that he is because it’s I think beyond a comprehension we will have all of eternity to get to know God and to study who he is as far as him, as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Speaker 1

Now as far as what the Bible says, there are many verses that we see all three members of the Godhead in the Bible. And let’s go ahead and start with the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19. Now what Jesus says right before he leaves us is in Matthew 20:18-19 says Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. So here you see Jesus is saying Father, Son, Holy Spirit are to be baptized in the name of. So obviously they all have equal ownership or equal there’s an equality to all three of these numbers because obviously if you’re saying you know the Father, Son and Spirit, all three of them are uniting in this purpose of baptism. Now again there are many other verses like you read in John 14:16-17. And this one is interesting. Go there. John 14:16-17, Jesus is again saying I will pray the Father and he will give you another helper that he may abide with you forever. And it reads 17 the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive because it is neither sees him nor knows him, but you know Him for he dwells with you and shall be in you.

Speaker 1

So Jesus is commending that this helper or the Holy Spirit is going to be sent from the Father. And Jesus reiterates this again in John 15:26 where he says and when the comforter, he calls the Spirit the comforter, just like Jesus kind of has several names. Jesus is the Son, Jesus is the Prince of peace, the Holy Spirit is the comforter, he’s the helper. And again in John 15:26 he says but when the comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me, and that me is Jesus. So here again we see the workings of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit altogether working for the Salvation of mankind. There are several other Bible verses and I’ll just quickly read them in two Corinthians 13:14, it says, The Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is Paul speaking the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the Communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Ephesians one seven again, this is the Apostle Paul where he says that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation and the knowledge of him.

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And we know that the Spirit leads us into all truth. So again, this Spirit is very important as a member of the Godhead. Ephesians, chapter 2:13,18, it says, but now Jesus Christ, who you sometimes are far off, but you who sometimes are far off are made nigh or near in the blood of Christ. For through him you both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. So again, we have access through the Spirit to the Father by the blood of Jesus, all three working together. Now you might say as well. Well, in the Old Testament we don’t really see the Holy Spirit or we don’t see this Father, Son and Holy Spirit concept. And you kind of be right in that. You don’t see it a lot. They usually just talk about the Lord, the Lord God Almighty. There’s not very much mention of the sun, but there is a few mentions of God, the Father, Son and Spirit. And you see those in the book of Psalms. If you go to Psalms chapter two, this is where you see this is a prophetic Psalm about talking about Jesus. And it says Psalms chapter two, and in verse, let’s see, I just lost my spot, I’m sorry about that.

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And it says inverse, let’s see, in verse seven, I apologize. It says, I will declare the decree the Lord has said unto me, Thou art my Son this day have I forgotten thee? So here we see the Lord saying, you are my Son, being the Son of God. So here we see the Father and the Son. And if you go up ahead to Psalms 51 and this is the famous Psalm where David is repenting of his great sin with Bathsheba. And in verse ten he says, those famous words, Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. And verse eleven says, Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me. So again, we do see the Holy Spirit, we do see the Father, we do see the Son all in the Old Testament as well. So God is the same yesterday, today and forever. And so I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where we can really argue that there is no Trinity as far as there being three members of the Godhead being the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So I hope that answers your question.

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Jaya Wendy, do you have anything to add to that?

Speaker 2

No, I have the same conclusion where I’ve gone and when I’ve studied the Bible I’m just blown away how even in the Old Testament you see them there even in Genesis reference of the Holy Spirit over the waters and then you Testament again and again and you hear arguments of okay, well, the Bible was this verse was changed like 200 years after the Bible is written but they might only address like one verse or two verse. And here we’re talking about there’s 10, 20, 30 verses depending on how you look at it. That all seem to say there’s this three part aspect to God three entities, beings. We don’t know what God really is. It’s beyond us who are you to say what God really is and composed of? But the Scriptures say what they say. They say there’s a spirit, they say there’s a father and they say there is a son.

Speaker 1

And I know like you’re saying some people have questioned the verse in one John five, verse seven where it says there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word and the Holy Ghost. These three are one and some people say, well, that was added but whether it was or not, I don’t believe it. I hope it was that God would not allow his word to be tampered with in that way. But even if it wasn’t, it still coincides in perfect harmony with so much other scripture that it really can’t be negated. So yeah, I definitely agree with what you’re saying there.

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Why did some rules from the Old Testament cease to exist?

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So Marie is asking why did some rules from the Old Testament to exist? Why are things included in the Old Testament that do not pertain to us today?

Speaker 1

Yup, Yup. And thank you, Reef. Right. Asking because I know so many people struggle with this or ask this, why is there this? And you hear a lot of people say we don’t even need the Old Testament. We just need the New Testament. That’s what’s applicable to us today. And I’m not saying this put you down. Again, thank you for asking, but this is one of these questions with a lot of assumptions in it that I think the Angels, whenever they hear an asset, they’re like, what are you talking about? Because the whole Bible is an amazing gift for us. We just don’t know how to read it. We talked about earlier, like, there’s this veil that’s covering the world. And Paul talks about this veil that covers people’s eyes when they read the Old Testament. He said that was a problem of the Jews during Jesus time. And guess what? It’s still a problem for even us Christians today. It’s a matter of really understanding. How do you read the Bible? How does it open up to us? How do we pull out the huge truth that God wants us to have? Like, we’re just talking about Samson.

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Right. And old story, old test. But isn’t it relevant to us today if we put ourselves in his position or even just think of how does that story be translated into a modern world? But this question Marie asked is a bit more about, I think, also the laws, right. Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, all these long laws that don’t seem to apply anymore. But I’ll tell you, I’m a lawyer, and a lot of those laws and those books are actually laws that are on the books here in the United States or other countries. That’s the law that we follow even today, like laws against defamation, safety laws, health regulations. We have that in society today. So it’s not that God did some crazy laws back then, and thank goodness we’re not honored them anymore. No, I shall not murder.

Speaker 3

We’re not supposed to murder today, even though.

Speaker 3

Yeah, exactly right.

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In the Old Testament.

Speaker 3

Don’T steal, don’t kill, don’t lie. I mean, we have all these laws still today, and even under the laws of Moses, too, all those other codes and regulations thing, some of them are still quite relevant. But what about the holidays? What about those things? Let’s talk about it. So first verse I want to bring up is 2 Timothy, 3:16-17, and it reads all Scripture. Let me go back and say that all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly finished unto all good works. So why is it there? Why do we have scripture so that we can be made perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. It’s all there to make us a better person, help us to learn about God and have a better relationship with him that will transform us. And then if we go to Colossians, sorry, one Corinthians ten versus eleven to twelve. If you read actually this whole chapter of chapter ten, Paul is citing all these different stories about the Hebrews, the Israelites out in the wilderness when God gave the laws and other stories in the Bible, in the Old Testament.

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And he says, now all these things happen to them, to the Israelites, to the people in the Old Testament as examples that they were written for our admission upon whom the end of the ages has come. Therefore, let him who thinks he stands take heed less he fall. So these things, these examples in the Old Testament are there for us in the end times us now that we will take heed. These are warnings for us to keep us from falling, to keep us from going as strange, to keep us from messing up, to keep us from doing the same stupid things Samson did. Why not let us learn from other people’s mistakes? But what about the law? So Colossians 2:16-17, it says, So let no one judge you in food or drink or regarding a festival or new moon or Sabbath. Right? So all these things to talk about, this is the law of Moses stuff, not the Ten Commandments, but all these codes, regulations, rules, which are a shadow of things to come. But the substance is of Christ. What does that mean? All these things were serving a purpose of telling us of what was going to come in the future.

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And actually, I think some of these things have not even yet been fulfilled. They will be very shortly, but they’re telling us something to come. They’re almost like prophecies many stories or I heard one person compared them to it’s like a play that the Israelites were acting out. And by acting it out, they were experiencing something that’s going to come. It’s telling them it’s giving them information, God’s giving them another way of learning. It’s incredible, right? Tactile learning. And this is also telling him about Christ. And Jesus came and said, I did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill the law. The law was fulfilled by Christ. So these things aren’t done away with. In fact, they’ve been magnified. And we now have to go beyond this law. The law now is not written in tablets of stone. The law is now written on our hearts. Jesus in Matthew five, in the Beatitudes, does it say, oh yeah, just be a nice person. Just go easy. Now he raises the bar in every way. And at the end he says, don’t just love your neighbor as you love yourself. I mean, that was the Old Testament law.

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Jesus says, I give you a new commitment now to love as I have loved you. So the New Testament is just upping the bar, upping the game, upping everything. That’s really what the New Testament is about. And the New Testament, if you read it starting from Matthew and all the way to Revelation, it’s non stop referencing the Old Testament. The New Testament really isn’t necessarily introducing new theology. What it’s doing is showing you the theology that was there in the Old Testament that the Jews and the Hebrews were blind to. And God was foreshadowing. He says, I’m eager, I want you to get to this place. I’m going to do these things. And it took like an Apostle, Paul and Peter and James and all these writers of the New Testament to open our eyes to these things, and especially Jesus by his teachings to really open it up to us. So, yeah, that’s my take. And when you understand these things and you go back and read the Bible, and suddenly now, every single word, every little story, every little thing is just going to have so much bigger significance because it is so relevant for us today.

Speaker 2

Definitely. Yeah. When I think about all those laws in the Old Testament, when you think about also just the context that they were written in, like you’re saying, if it’s the law of Moses and what was going on in that time.

Speaker 3

Like they were slaves.

Speaker 2

Like, they had completely lost the message of God and Salvation by this point in time. They were slaves for hundreds of years, and they weren’t even keeping the Sabbath anymore. They had lost so many things. And that’s why God had to lay things out. So in such detail. And just like you’re saying, a lot of these things that pertain to the temple, that was done away with it was just to show truths and other things. But God wants us to now understand these from the heart. And Jesus sums it up, that the law is to love God and to love our fellow man as ourselves.

Speaker 1

Exactly.

Speaker 3

To get to that point, I think we’re good.

Speaker 2

Then we’re fulfilling the law.

Speaker 1

That’s the everlasting gospel right there.

Speaker 2

And I’m so grateful that God has blessed us with that truth, that God is love.

Speaker 3

And that’s what he wants. His whole law is a lot of love and a law of Liberty.

Speaker 2

And it’s because God loves us, that he gives us some boundaries. But again, it’s only for our good, just like a loving parent would do for their children.

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So.

Speaker 2

Just like the rules you give your toddler are going to be different than the rules you give your teenager. And so sometimes I think, too, when you think of why were some of the rules different than now, it’s just based on where we’re at in Earth’s history, too.

Speaker 1

And actually there’s a Bible verse on that. Paul, I think, outright says but maybe Romans that the law was given to the Israelites sort of as like a caretaker or like a nanny. It was supposed to be their nanny where they were babies and now we’re in the New Testament and now we can handle the greater law that was shown to us through Christ and something that’s interesting too.

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I was just reading because when God gave God’s law which is the Ten Commandments written on stone by his finger he gives it first in Exodus 20 and we know that first law or those tablets of the Ten Commandments were broken because Moses came down from the mountain and sees the people in sin and he throws it showing that basically they broke the Covenant. But then we see God 40 years later rewrite those same ten Commandments in stone again in Deuteronomy and God says basically that he’s not done with Israel and what’s interesting is just because they didn’t fulfill the law, then God didn’t give up on his wall and say, let’s make a new law. No, it’s the same law. So the law of God is still binding.

Speaker 1

Exactly. It’s totally as well said the Bible is going to be eternal like it’s going to be there for us for all time, I believe. And God’s word is eternal. I mean, God’s word is just that’s why it’s so amazing because he’s God he could take the lives of people and somehow turn them into illustrations of Bible principles and he’s just working your life and now this person is forever example of this and that when you realize these things the Bible just becomes beyond disprovable of being the word of God and you realize there is an intelligence behind the whole book that brings it together and it’s a wisdom that’s beyond any earthly wisdom and it’s a wisdom that starts in Genesis and it ends, Revelation and it could be alive in us today.

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