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Speaker 1
All right, so Leroy’s, question is not a question, but did notice your misunderstanding of who Jesus was and who Christ is. I am an omnist because of all the scriptures.
Speaker 2
That’s a new word for me.
Speaker 3
That is interesting. And actually I’m pretty sure referring to something that I said last week about Jesus, about him being Michael the archangel. Jesus is not an angel. Can’t always remind anybody we don’t believe Jesus is just an angel. Jesus is God. He’s divine. But I do want to address this question because I think this is kind of interesting. There’s two things you’re implying in your comment. Leroy, I appreciate your comment, by the way, so thank you for letting us know your thoughts and kind of where you’re coming from that you’re an omnist. An omnist is somebody of my understanding, is somebody who believes in all religions. But you said something very interesting here about Jesus. You said who Jesus was and who Christ is, almost as if Jesus is past tense and Christ is present. And you’re saying you based this on scripture. I appreciate again your comments and you tuning in and sharing your thoughts on this. But I will say Jesus and Christ. Jesus just means Savior. That’s what his name literally means. When Gabriel the angel came to Mary and said, you shall name his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins.
Speaker 3
The name Jesus means savior, basically. And Christ just means anointed one. And so Jesus Christ, he’s the anointed savior basically is all one and the same person. There’s no difference between the two. And the way I would say, it wasn’t like Jesus was the man on earth and then Christ is the anointed son of God now in heaven, as if it’s two different people. It’s not. He’s one and the same. And I’ll show this to you from Scripture. If you look in the book of Hebrews, chapter 13 and verse eight, it says something big. I think that you can’t really argue with this. Again, I just want to show you from scripture. You’re saying that from scriptures, your ominous, and I have to say that I’ll address that in just a second. But as far as Jesus being past and Christ being present or future, I don’t think that’s quite accurate because if you look at Hebrews 13, verse eight, it says Jesus Christ the same, yesterday, today and forever. And so Jesus and Christ, one person, one being, he’s the same yesterday, today, forever, he’s eternal, he’s God. And so he has no beginning of days or end of life.
Speaker 3
We see that again in the book of Hebrews, talking about the order of the kiss of dead. And so he’s from everlasting to everlasting, he’s the same. So there is no difference as far as Jesus, who he is, past, present or future. But I wanted to address something else. You mentioned in Ephesians chapter four about being an omnis. Now I respect your opinion, my brother Leroy, and whatever is your choice to make for your faith or what your belief system is, obviously I believe that God is a God of love. And because he’s a God of love, he’s a God of freedom. And so I respect your freedom of choice. But I will say from a biblical perspective that there is only one way of salvation, and that is in the book of Ephesians. I just want to show you that really quick in the book of Ephesians, chapter four, as far as there being just one body versus four, and it says there’s one body, there is one spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism. And verse six says one God and Father of all who is above all and through all, and in you all.
Speaker 3
So basically we see that there’s only one true God in heaven. And we see that reiterated in the Old Testament when you look at the book of Isaiah. And I’ll actually address this later because I saw another question that goes into it, so I’ll dive into that a little bit deeper at another time. But basically we’re only saved by one Lord and by one Jesus Christ. And again we see that in Acts chapter four, verses ten and twelve. And I just read this really quick before I close my answer to your comment. Again, acts chapter four, verses ten through twelve, it says, be it known unto you all and to all the people of Israel by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by Him does this man stand before you hold. So basically it’s only by Jesus. Jesus is the only way, the only truth, the only life. We have no other hope other than in Jesus. And I apologize if you keep going. Again, verse eleven, this is the stone which said it not of you builders, or was thought of as nothing, which it became the head of the corner.
Speaker 3
And verse twelve is key. Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved. And that name we saw again in verse ten is the name of Jesus Christ. So Jesus Christ, complete Jesus’s, Savior, Christian, he’s the one in the same member of the Godhead, and he’s the only way of salvation. And we only have access to our Father in heaven through him. While I respect your opinion and your choice of being an ominous, I would say that the Bible based on Scripture is pretty clear that there is one way of salvation and it is through Jesus Christ. And while I respect all religions and I think God has people in all faiths, I do believe that if you know the truth about who Jesus is, there’s really only one way to salvation. That’s through him. Jesus Christ. Dear Wendy, any other thoughts on that?
Speaker 2
No, that’s very well said, Tina.
Speaker 1
Yeah, and I think it’s important to note that a lot of religions have a lot of elements of truth within them. And so when we’re focused on seeking truth, it can be very easy to then say, well, look, I see truth here, I see truth there, I see truth there, I see truth there, and therefore it must all be true. But there’s a difference between a religion that has some elements of truth in it and the character of Christ being the focus of that religion and the way of connection to God and of salvation. That’s a key element for me that affected my faith because there was a point in time when I learned about a lot of different religions and saw all these different truths in it and kind of had that same kind of view until I started to really study the character of Christ and what the difference is between how Jesus operates and wants us to operate versus it’s not.
Speaker 2
A work based religion like all other religions.
Speaker 1
Yeah. It is truly a faith thing now, it’s works have their place. If I have this idea in my head that I love my husband, but I never do anything to show him that love or that respect, we’re not going to have a very good relationship.
Speaker 2
And it’s rightful to doubt them whether there really is love.
Speaker 1
Right. And if he has values that are a certain character and that’s what he’s about, and I say I love him and I want a relationship with him, but I’m going and doing everything that’s completely opposite to those values. Now my actions are saying that I don’t actually really love him, I don’t really share the same values with him. And that’s, I think, one of the key things that we have to look at with Jesus and with the direction of our faith and the orientation of our faith in character, definitely.
Okay.
Speaker 3
And I’m sorry. Very well said. And if I could add one thing, something that popped in my head while you were speaking. As well, as far as Jesus being the one way, the thing is, when it comes to Jesus in context to other faiths out in the world, the thing is Jesus is the true God, he’s the true Creator. And when you look at all these other faiths out there, all these other religions, it’s only in Christianity that we see Jesus our Creator come down and also be our Savior to redeem us back to him. And the thing is, when you understand the truth of who the true God is, that God the Father and God the Son, whom he had sent Jesus Christ, then you realize there’s God’s people kind of like estranged members of God’s family, but they’re all from God. God is still the Creator. And why would we want to Try.
Speaker 3
To again, I respect other religions, but if you really see the Bible as the source of truth, you have to understand that or accept that there is no salvation in any other way other than Jesus Christ simply because he is God. And that means that all the other gods out there don’t have the same power and saving power that Jesus Christ does. As much as God will bless people and other religions because God cares about them. God cares about all people, but that doesn’t mean that he wants them to stay in a state of basically ignorance of Him. He wants them to know who he really is. And so in knowing God, like it says in John 17 three, that this is life eternal, but they would know the only true God in Jesus Christ whom he has sent. And so when we look at the big picture of things, we see that there is a God who is our creator, who created Adam and Eve, our first parents. And then those people made choices that weren’t great, and they were basically estranged from God. And it is God calling us back to Him through basically the calling of His Holy Spirit, but also through the Bible that he gives us, as well as through his people that are supposed to be drawing others back to that one fold, that one face, that one baptism.
Speaker 2
Yeah, and one other thing too, and maybe you mentioned this earlier was if we set a trap for ants and we make our own ant traps, wendy does what do we use? Do we use just pure poison? Answers? No, you set the trap with the good stuff, and then if you have poison, you mix a little bit of poison in, or you have the trap, the snare, you put again something good in there. And that’s exactly how Satan works. That’s what the Bible says. The Bible says there’s a very good liar out there who’s really good at twisting truth to lure you in. And then once he has a trap, he snapped you and gets you. So that’s why we have to be exceptionally smart and critical in our thinking and not just say, oh, well, there’s truth, the truth theater, truth everywhere, therefore everything is truth. We have to really look at the whole bundle and say, okay, yes, there’s maybe truth there, but where is that taking us?
Speaker 3
Definitely. That’s so interesting you say that, and I apologize. I keep having more thoughts. But I remember there was a picture one time where there was a man looking down on one side and he said, oh, it’s a nine. And the other guy on the other side said, no, it’s a six. And he’s like, well, it’s true for me, is true for me, it’s true for you, is true for you. And so the same thing could be truth in different ways for both people. And so they were like, that was basically the argument of this picture, but then somebody crossed out what they said and said no. Did you orient yourself to what the purpose of whoever wrote this number here on the floor meant for it to be? Is it in front of a door showing that it’s somebody’s address? Why was this number put on the floor in the first place? It doesn’t mean like, oh, well, I just saw it. And so my interpretation of it meant that it’s true. It’s like, no. What did the designers say that this was meant to be as far as what the truth is of this number?
Speaker 3
And so it was just kind of to reiterate that there’s a lot of things that might seem true up there, and like you’re saying, they might mix truth and error, and that’s honestly the best way of deceiving anybody. But we have to go based on what is 100% true and what is totally accurate. And based on what I’ve seen out there and my experience, there’s only one source of complete and truth, which is the Bible, and that’s why we stand by it. That’s why we want to share it. That’s why we want to answer every question about life and religion and everything based on this book, because it is 100% reliable.
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